For those into guns... need info

[DigiTard]

Hey,
My wife and I are looking into taking a firearms training class and so forth and learning to shoot. Where would you recommend to do this? Cost? If they have a website to research that'd be great too.

I've always been interested in learning to shoot, and taking that up (of course putting the gun in a locked case ) but I've never really considered it as something I want to do til now pretty much.

I could use some info.

I plan to take the courses and all that and then go to a range, recomendations there too?, and shoot a few sidearms to find out what I like to shoot and possibly pick one up. What would you recommend?

I asked on PBN and Automags.org and they seem to be saying a .40cal or 9mm would be best and they gave some recommendations in guns to look at in the "wont break your bank" price range.

D.

[Maverick]

scottsdale gun club has a good program

[WaTchYoBaCk7]

yeah, scottsdale gun club is definately one of the nicer facilities around. i also hear they run a good program.

[SynfulCocker]

Arizona Tactical (I-17 And Indian School ) Has EXCELLENT classes. They are very educated, friendly, and most of all, make the classes fun. I have dealt with these guys for many years and they have never treated me wrong. Also, if you go on fridays, it's Ladies Night. Your wife gets free range time and any gun she rents is free. (Meaning, if you want to test out fire arms, take her with you. Have her rent all the weapons, then it's free for you.) You only have to pay for range time ($12 per hour) and the ammo you shoot. They also have used weapons in great shape avalible for purchace. Though, I do not reccomend buying from them due to the fact that there prices are pretty high. A great place to buy is the Pistol Parlor. Also, I have the name of a guy that is an Arms dealer that can give you Amazing prices. He ususally only works with people that work in Law Enforcement, but if I mention you he'd be happy to give you a great deal. He usually can be seen at Gun Shows running a both called "Dynamic Armorment." He is a Glendale Police Officer.

On to calibers. I personally like the .45. The .40 is a mule of a round, you feel the recoil more than a .45. I don't like 9mm due to the fact that is a very fast moving round and usually has no stopping power, though doesn't recoil much. My fiancee is 5'5 120 pounds and she shoots a .45 without problem, and she's only been shooting around 3 months. If you need anymore information, questions about prices or different manufacters, feel free to contact me. Artofrapture@aol.com

[salty]

My personal opinion, .40 cal is a useless round. I hear all the time that is the the velocity of a 9mm, and the stopping power of a .45. I personally like the 9mm, and the .45, not a mix of the two. My wife shoots a Kimber Pro Tactical II .45 cal. I had origanally bought her a snub nosed .357 Ruger and loaded 38 specials into for her. She couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with that weapon. I then let her shoot my Sig Sauer P220 .45 cal and she couldn't chamber the weapon. She shot a .40 cal H&K and also couldn't hit the target, and rotated in her hand from the recoil. I stumbled across this Kimber at the Gun Show, and took her out. She groups 8 shots in a 4 inch bunch at 25 yards. My point is to let her shoot the handgun before you purchase one. I regret spending 400 dollars on the Ruger, when I could have spent another 150 to get her a high quality gun that she can shoot. Call BenAvery shooting range for information about thier Hunter Education/Gun safety education classes. They are preformed by the Arizona Game and Fish Dept., and are recoginized across the country for there classes. You are more than welcome to come out shooting with my wife and I to possibly get an Idea of what you like. Let me know if you are intrested. Good luck finding the right firearm for your you and your wife, and you can always find great deals in the paper, or walk the gun shows. Buying new is great, but I prefer to save hundreds of dollars.

Kade

[salty]

Ohh yeah, here is the number to Game and Fish dept.

Location
http://www.gf.state.az.us/images/outdoor_recreation/benavery_map.gifBen Avery Shooting Facility
4044 W. Black Canyon Blvd.
Phoenix, Arizona 85086
(623) 582-8313

Clay Target Center (http://www.gf.state.az.us/outdoor_recreation/basf_facilities_ctc.shtml)
(623) 587-1706.
Hours
Summer (May 1 - Sept. 1)
Wed. through Sun. 7 a.m. - 7 p.m.

Winter (Sept. 2 - April 30)
Wed. through Sun. 7 a.m. - Dusk

The facility is closed Mondays and Tuesdays, Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, and Christmas day.
Hunter Education All classes are taught by volunteers. The instructors contact our office letting us know when and where the next class will be held.

*To be certified, students must attend ALL listed dates and be a minimum ten years of age.

Class Descriptions
BasicMinimum. 20 hour Basic Hunter Education Class (Firearms)ComboMinimum 28 hour Basic Hunter Education Class and a NBEF/IBEP Bow Hunter Education Class (Firearms and Bow hunting) For more information call the Education Branch at:
(602) 789-3235 or (602) 789-3236 Directions
For driving directions and maps to class locations, enter the location address at MapQuest (http://www.mapquest.com/).
For more info visit the website
http://www.gf.state.az.us/i_e/edits/hunter_education.shtml

[hyperwrx]

Dave,
We'll talk. I have a CWL and have some good easy hookups with the Mesa PD to facilitate you getting one. If you are into it for the learning how to operate the gun you might need to look elsewhere.

I also have a few nice handguns you guys can look at to guage the size and feel. I just purchased a Glock Model 27 for my wife (.40 cal). It's a smaller gun for concealment and/or use by peopel with smaller hands.

They make a simple mag extender that adds a bit of lenth to the gun for bigger hands.

http://members.shaw.ca/stan420/Pictures/kjg27/dualg27.jpg

I also own a HK Subcompack 9mm which you can mess with and shoot.

[^Captain_Planet^]

Real guns are not like paintball guns they actually have "kick"

[hyperwrx]

Real guns are not like paintball guns they actually have "kick"

Let's focus on making meaningful comments this time around. Something that benefits those that read it. I know you can do it.

[DigiTard]

Thanks Captain Obvious. Lets stay out of my thread if you dont have some actual info to contribute. Okay? Okay!

[WaTchYoBaCk7]

Real guns are not like paintball guns they actually have "kick"

i think "kick" is kinda one of the last the differences i worry about between real firearms and paintball guns. I heard Tutor Time just opened up a public forum. maybe you should take your posts there...